Discussion:
This old 1974 chart has met its destiny in quite a similar way
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Chris Brown
2015-05-08 17:36:08 UTC
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OK, first point to make is that I chose this chart before the election
result was known so nothing in here is an intentional comment on that
although (depending on what you thought of the result) it's probably not
hard to find some possible interpretations. I did choose this after the
news of Errol Brown's death though, so we do have Hot Choc song in here.
It's also the week of a notable Top 40 debut.

Playlists here: I tried to avoid dodgy fake/re-recorded versions but one
or two may have slipped through.
http://www.deezer.com/playlist/1229154851
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdiUvgvgpgNr-kcMut8DDQsK6Q4392Qu5

Chart date: 11 May 1974

1. (1) ABBA Waterloo
2. (27) Rubettes Sugar Baby Love
3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
4. (11) Peters And Lee Don't Stay Away Too Long
5. (12) Bay City Rollers Shang-A-Lang
6. (9) Wizzard Rock And Roll Winter
7. (5) The Chi-Lites Homely Girl
8. (6) Limmie And The Family Cookin' A Walkin' Miracle
9. (3) Terry Jacks Seasons In The Sun
10. (17) Stevie Wonder He's Misstra Know-It-All
11. (42) Alvin Stardust Red Dress
12. (2) Mud The Cat Crept In
13. (14) Mungo Jerry Long Legged Woman Dressed In Black
14. (39) Paper Lace The Night Chicago Died
15. (8) Diana Ross And Marvin Gaye You Are Everything
16. (24) The Osmonds I Can't Stop
17. (7) Sunny Doctor's Orders
18. (28) Jim Stafford Spiders And Snakes
19. (10) Glitter Band Angel Face
20. (16) The Three Degrees Year Of Decision
21. (15) Little Jimmy Osmond I'm Gonna Knock On Your Door
22. (23) David Bowie Rock And Roll Suicide
23. (21) Charlie Rich Behind Closed Doors
24. (13) Slade Everyday
25. (29) MFSB TSOP (The Sound Of Philadelphia)
26. (38) Status Quo Break The Rules
27. (48) Sparks This Town Ain't Big Enough For Both Of Us
28. (25) Marvin Hamlisch The Entertainer
29. (NE) David Cassidy If I Didn't Care
30. (30) Wombles Wombling Song
31. (19) Bill Haley And His Comets Rock Around The Clock {1974}
32. (33) The Intruders I'll Always Love My Mama
33. (26) Genesis I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
34. (NE) R Dean Taylor There's A Ghost In My House
35. (45) Diana Ross Last Time I Saw Him
36. (32) Harold Melvin And The Bluenotes Satisfaction Guaranteed
37. (46) Gigliola Cinquetti Go (Before You Break My Heart)
38. (22) Mott The Hoople The Golden Age Of Rock And Roll
39. (34) Charlie Rich The Most Beautiful Girl
40. (31) Paper Lace Billy, Don't Be A Hero
41. (20) Gary Glitter Remember Me This Way
42. (43) Mouth And MacNeal I See A Star
43. (18) Hot Chocolate Emma
44. (35) The Carpenters Jambalaya
45. (41) Ann Peebles I Can't Stand The Rain
46. (NE) David Essex America
47. (NE) Cockney Rebel Judy Teen
48. (NE) Harry Chapin WOLD
49. (37) Ragtimers The Sting
50. (36) Queen Seven Seas Of Rhye

Chris
Vidcapper
2015-05-09 06:09:10 UTC
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Chart date: 11 May 1974
1. (1) ABBA Waterloo
Has stood the test of time well.
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3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
This hasn't!
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9. (3) Terry Jacks Seasons In The Sun
OK.
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14. (39) Paper Lace The Night Chicago Died
Yet that didn't stop them releasing album after album... :p
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31. (19) Bill Haley And His Comets Rock Around The Clock {1974}
About time for another re-release now?
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40. (31) Paper Lace Billy, Don't Be A Hero
OK.
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41. (20) Gary Glitter Remember Me This Way
Fat chance!
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Chris Brown
2015-05-09 11:39:50 UTC
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Chart date: 11 May 1974
1. (1) ABBA Waterloo
Has stood the test of time well.
I think it has. I probably should have mentioned that 1974 was a big
year for Eurovision hits and it's the anniversary soon.
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3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
This hasn't!
I'm not sure it hasn't actually. I think what's happened is that we're
not children any more (technically, I wasn't a child in 1974 but I
obviously was when I first heard this track) and so out of the target
audience.
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9. (3) Terry Jacks Seasons In The Sun
OK.
Not as bad as the Westlife version.
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14. (39) Paper Lace The Night Chicago Died
Yet that didn't stop them releasing album after album... :p
You could say the same about their other hit, 'The Night Tupac Died'.
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31. (19) Bill Haley And His Comets Rock Around The Clock {1974}
About time for another re-release now?
Surely last year was the anniversary?
Mind you, it probably was re-released at some point because it's now out
of copyright so anyone can press a 7" of it.
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40. (31) Paper Lace Billy, Don't Be A Hero
OK.
Were they trying to cash in on the Vietnam war?
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41. (20) Gary Glitter Remember Me This Way
Fat chance!
Yeah, one of his many song titles that look unfortunate in hindsight.

Chris
Mark Goodge
2015-05-09 13:36:30 UTC
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3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
This hasn't!
I'm not sure it hasn't actually. I think what's happened is that we're
not children any more (technically, I wasn't a child in 1974 but I
obviously was when I first heard this track) and so out of the target
audience.
That's an interesting point. I'll have to see what my children think of it.
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40. (31) Paper Lace Billy, Don't Be A Hero
OK.
Were they trying to cash in on the Vietnam war?
Probably not. Both the lyrics and musical styles of the song itself, and
the military style uniforms they wore on the TotP appearance, suggest a
pre-technology conflict. The most likely reference, if indeed there was
intended to be a reference to any specific conflict rather than just war in
general, is the American Civil War - the uniforms in the TotP video are
very reminiscent of those worn by the Union army.

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Vidcapper
2015-05-09 14:29:01 UTC
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3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
This hasn't!
I'm not sure it hasn't actually. I think what's happened is that we're
not children any more (technically, I wasn't a child in 1974 but I
obviously was when I first heard this track) and so out of the target
audience.
That's an interesting point. I'll have to see what my children think of it.
Save it for when they've done something naughty - they won't do it again! :p
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Chris Brown
2015-05-22 19:58:03 UTC
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Post by Mark Goodge
On Sat, 09 May 2015 12:39:50 +0100, Chris Brown put finger to keyboard and
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Post by Chris Brown
3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
This hasn't!
I'm not sure it hasn't actually. I think what's happened is that we're
not children any more (technically, I wasn't a child in 1974 but I
obviously was when I first heard this track) and so out of the target
audience.
That's an interesting point. I'll have to see what my children think of it.
That's yet another angle.
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40. (31) Paper Lace Billy, Don't Be A Hero
OK.
Were they trying to cash in on the Vietnam war?
Probably not. Both the lyrics and musical styles of the song itself, and
the military style uniforms they wore on the TotP appearance, suggest a
pre-technology conflict. The most likely reference, if indeed there was
intended to be a reference to any specific conflict rather than just war in
general, is the American Civil War - the uniforms in the TotP video are
very reminiscent of those worn by the Union army.
I get that, but I wonder whether the reason stuff like this was taking
off in the late-60s and early 70s was in imitation of America. There's
obviously one song from the Civil War that was a very big hit at the
very start of the Seventies but we don't talk about it much now.

Chris
Col
2015-05-23 11:06:21 UTC
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Post by Chris Brown
I get that, but I wonder whether the reason stuff like this was taking
off in the late-60s and early 70s was in imitation of America. There's
obviously one song from the Civil War that was a very big hit at the
very start of the Seventies but we don't talk about it much now.
Was that song about the American Civil War specifically though?
A quick web search suggests it's inconclusive and may well have been
about war in general.
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And all the stars that never were
Are parking cars and pumping gas.
Chris Brown
2015-05-23 17:25:01 UTC
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Post by Chris Brown
I get that, but I wonder whether the reason stuff like this was taking
off in the late-60s and early 70s was in imitation of America. There's
obviously one song from the Civil War that was a very big hit at the
very start of the Seventies but we don't talk about it much now.
Was that song about the American Civil War specifically though?
A quick web search suggests it's inconclusive and may well have been
about war in general.
Fair point, but it's obviously associated with that war and of course
the reference to horses makes it non-contemporary in 1969.

Chris
Mark
2015-05-22 21:17:50 UTC
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Chart date: 11 May 1974
1. (1) ABBA Waterloo
Has stood the test of time well.
I think it has. I probably should have mentioned that 1974 was a big
year for Eurovision hits and it's the anniversary soon.
Post by Chris Brown
3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
This hasn't!
I'm not sure it hasn't actually. I think what's happened is that we're
not children any more (technically, I wasn't a child in 1974 but I
obviously was when I first heard this track) and so out of the target
audience.
Speaking of The Wombles

Mark Goodge
2015-05-24 21:14:23 UTC
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On Fri, 08 May 2015 18:36:08 +0100, Chris Brown put finger to keyboard and
Post by Chris Brown
OK, first point to make is that I chose this chart before the election
result was known so nothing in here is an intentional comment on that
although (depending on what you thought of the result) it's probably not
hard to find some possible interpretations. I did choose this after the
news of Errol Brown's death though, so we do have Hot Choc song in here.
It's also the week of a notable Top 40 debut.
Playlists here: I tried to avoid dodgy fake/re-recorded versions but one
or two may have slipped through.
http://www.deezer.com/playlist/1229154851
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdiUvgvgpgNr-kcMut8DDQsK6Q4392Qu5
Chart date: 11 May 1974
Catching up on some that I've missed, I thought I'd have a run-though of
this one. I remember a fair number of these, although it's a bit before my
era so what I do remember is based mostly on my parents' radio tastes.

Possibly a little surprisingly for a chart this old, I've seen two acts in
here play live. Although "live" possibly needs to be in inverted commas for
one of them, and the other one was a very different act here to the one
that I saw several years later.
Post by Chris Brown
1. (1) ABBA Waterloo
Probably the best Eurovision winner ever. Incidentally, it's worth watching
their Eurovision perfomance rather than the studio video - unlike the
Eurovision of today, this was completely, 100% live, instruments as well as
vocals.


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2. (27) Rubettes Sugar Baby Love
Good song. Sounds a bit ahead of its time.
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3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
OK, for what it was.
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4. (11) Peters And Lee Don't Stay Away Too Long
Apparently, their first performance was on the same bill as Rolf Harris.
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5. (12) Bay City Rollers Shang-A-Lang
Bit bland.
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6. (9) Wizzard Rock And Roll Winter
I don't remember this one.
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7. (5) The Chi-Lites Homely Girl
Or this.
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8. (6) Limmie And The Family Cookin' A Walkin' Miracle
Or this, either.
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9. (3) Terry Jacks Seasons In The Sun
Better in this version than the Westlife cover.
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18. (28) Jim Stafford Spiders And Snakes
Mildly amusing.
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22. (23) David Bowie Rock And Roll Suicide
Unfortunately, I don't remember this from the time. It is, however, a
classic of the era.
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26. (38) Status Quo Break The Rules
Not sure if I remember this or not. It sounds the same as the ones I
definitely remember.
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27. (48) Sparks This Town Ain't Big Enough For Both Of Us
I definitely remember. I liked it at the time.
Post by Chris Brown
30. (30) Wombles Wombling Song
For obvious reasons many of their "live" performances had to be mimed, but
possibly surprisingly, not always; in some cases the costumes didn't extend
to covering the musicians' hands and they did actually perform in costume.
For that reason, the characters were usually played on stage by real
musicians rather than actors, even when they were miming, and in many cases
it was the same musicians who had actually recorded the songs. In an even
more bizarre twist, when it wasn't the original musicians it was often
Steeleye Span. Yes, really, I am not making this up.
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33. (26) Genesis I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
Their first charting single. I don't remember it from the time.
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39. (34) Charlie Rich The Most Beautiful Girl
I do remember hearing this on the radio, though.
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40. (31) Paper Lace Billy, Don't Be A Hero
And this.
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41. (20) Gary Glitter Remember Me This Way
I don't remember this. Probably a good thing.
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44. (35) The Carpenters Jambalaya
This was another that seemed to crop up a lot on the radio, though.

On a more general note, having just watched it all on Youtube, that's a
very perv-heavy playlist - not just the performers, but also the TotP
presenters.

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Robbie
2015-05-25 08:58:22 UTC
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Post by Mark Goodge
On Fri, 08 May 2015 18:36:08 +0100, Chris Brown put finger to keyboard and
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30. (30) Wombles Wombling Song
For obvious reasons many of their "live" performances had to be mimed, but
possibly surprisingly, not always; in some cases the costumes didn't extend
to covering the musicians' hands and they did actually perform in costume.
For that reason, the characters were usually played on stage by real
musicians rather than actors, even when they were miming, and in many cases
it was the same musicians who had actually recorded the songs. In an even
more bizarre twist, when it wasn't the original musicians it was often
Steeleye Span. Yes, really, I am not making this up.
One of the musicians who appears on the records (and who regularly
played live as a Womble, appearing dressed as Wellington) was Chris
Spedding. He's been quite the session musician, not only appearing with
the Wombles but also Roxy Music, Bryan Ferry, Nilsson, Elton John, Brian
Eno and in recent years Katie Melua (presumably due to the Mike Batt
connection) amongst may others. He also produced the first demo tapes
made by the Sex Pistols (in May 1976) while he was still officially a
Womble - I assume he didn't turn up to the studio in his Womble gear!
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Mark
Mark Goodge
2015-05-25 17:41:27 UTC
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On Mon, 25 May 2015 09:58:22 +0100, Robbie put finger to keyboard and
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Post by Mark Goodge
On Fri, 08 May 2015 18:36:08 +0100, Chris Brown put finger to keyboard and
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30. (30) Wombles Wombling Song
For obvious reasons many of their "live" performances had to be mimed, but
possibly surprisingly, not always; in some cases the costumes didn't extend
to covering the musicians' hands and they did actually perform in costume.
For that reason, the characters were usually played on stage by real
musicians rather than actors, even when they were miming, and in many cases
it was the same musicians who had actually recorded the songs. In an even
more bizarre twist, when it wasn't the original musicians it was often
Steeleye Span. Yes, really, I am not making this up.
One of the musicians who appears on the records (and who regularly
played live as a Womble, appearing dressed as Wellington) was Chris
Spedding. He's been quite the session musician, not only appearing with
the Wombles but also Roxy Music, Bryan Ferry, Nilsson, Elton John, Brian
Eno and in recent years Katie Melua (presumably due to the Mike Batt
connection) amongst may others. He also produced the first demo tapes
made by the Sex Pistols (in May 1976) while he was still officially a
Womble - I assume he didn't turn up to the studio in his Womble gear!
There are some interesting quotes from Spedding, Batt and Glenn Matlock
here:

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_wombles_naughty_side_lecherous_musicians_drooling_at_girls

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Robbie
2015-05-25 21:12:30 UTC
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Post by Mark Goodge
On Fri, 08 May 2015 18:36:08 +0100, Chris Brown put finger to keyboard and
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30. (30) Wombles Wombling Song
For obvious reasons many of their "live" performances had to be mimed, but
possibly surprisingly, not always; in some cases the costumes didn't extend
to covering the musicians' hands and they did actually perform in costume.
For that reason, the characters were usually played on stage by real
musicians rather than actors, even when they were miming, and in many cases
it was the same musicians who had actually recorded the songs. In an even
more bizarre twist, when it wasn't the original musicians it was often
Steeleye Span. Yes, really, I am not making this up.
One of the musicians who appears on the records (and who regularly
played live as a Womble, appearing dressed as Wellington) was Chris
Spedding. He's been quite the session musician, not only appearing with
the Wombles but also Roxy Music, Bryan Ferry, Nilsson, Elton John, Brian
Eno and in recent years Katie Melua (presumably due to the Mike Batt
connection) amongst may others. He also produced the first demo tapes
made by the Sex Pistols (in May 1976) while he was still officially a
Womble - I assume he didn't turn up to the studio in his Womble gear!
There are some interesting quotes from Spedding, Batt and Glenn Matlock
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_wombles_naughty_side_lecherous_musicians_drooling_at_girls
Mark
Interesting article - thanks for the link
Chris Brown
2015-05-26 21:28:13 UTC
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Post by Mark Goodge
On Fri, 08 May 2015 18:36:08 +0100, Chris Brown put finger to keyboard and
Post by Chris Brown
OK, first point to make is that I chose this chart before the election
result was known so nothing in here is an intentional comment on that
although (depending on what you thought of the result) it's probably not
hard to find some possible interpretations. I did choose this after the
news of Errol Brown's death though, so we do have Hot Choc song in here.
It's also the week of a notable Top 40 debut.
Playlists here: I tried to avoid dodgy fake/re-recorded versions but one
or two may have slipped through.
http://www.deezer.com/playlist/1229154851
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdiUvgvgpgNr-kcMut8DDQsK6Q4392Qu5
Chart date: 11 May 1974
Possibly a little surprisingly for a chart this old, I've seen two acts in
here play live. Although "live" possibly needs to be in inverted commas for
one of them,
Wombles would the obvious possibility here.
Post by Mark Goodge
and the other one was a very different act here to the one
that I saw several years later.
Genesis?
Post by Mark Goodge
Post by Chris Brown
1. (1) ABBA Waterloo
Probably the best Eurovision winner ever. Incidentally, it's worth watching
their Eurovision perfomance rather than the studio video -
Indeed, although for these playlists I have a preference for the studio
single versions when they're available.
Post by Mark Goodge
unlike the
Eurovision of today, this was completely, 100% live, instruments as well as
vocals.
http://youtu.be/3FsVeMz1F5c
And with the guy in the Napoleon hat too.
I know now there's only six people allowed on stage.
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Post by Chris Brown
2. (27) Rubettes Sugar Baby Love
Good song. Sounds a bit ahead of its time.
Really? It always sounded like a fifties pastiche to me.
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3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
OK, for what it was.
Agreed.
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Post by Chris Brown
4. (11) Peters And Lee Don't Stay Away Too Long
Apparently, their first performance was on the same bill as Rolf Harris.
[joke redacted]
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Post by Chris Brown
5. (12) Bay City Rollers Shang-A-Lang
Bit bland.
I presume this became a catchphrase from the song, rather than the other
way around.
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6. (9) Wizzard Rock And Roll Winter
I don't remember this one.
Pity, I was hoping you'd know why it was charting in Spring.
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7. (5) The Chi-Lites Homely Girl
Or this.
UB40 did a not-very-good cover version. I realise that doesn't narrow it
down much.
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8. (6) Limmie And The Family Cookin' A Walkin' Miracle
Or this, either.
Not the song by them I remember.
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9. (3) Terry Jacks Seasons In The Sun
Better in this version than the Westlife cover.
I think we've found the definition of "faint praise".
Post by Mark Goodge
Post by Chris Brown
22. (23) David Bowie Rock And Roll Suicide
Unfortunately, I don't remember this from the time. It is, however, a
classic of the era.
Although such was the speed that Bowie was developing at this point that
it almost seemed like another era already. It was two personae ago.
Post by Mark Goodge
Post by Chris Brown
26. (38) Status Quo Break The Rules
Not sure if I remember this or not. It sounds the same as the ones I
definitely remember.
At the time I posted this chart there was a live version on the Radio 2
playlist. Which did sound different, mainly because the vocals were so
far out of tune. Odd choice of single there.
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Post by Chris Brown
27. (48) Sparks This Town Ain't Big Enough For Both Of Us
I definitely remember. I liked it at the time.
Everyone who saw it on TotP seemed to.
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Post by Chris Brown
30. (30) Wombles Wombling Song
For obvious reasons many of their "live" performances had to be mimed, but
possibly surprisingly, not always; in some cases the costumes didn't extend
to covering the musicians' hands and they did actually perform in costume.
Presumably they just left the hands off rather than having two separate
sets of costumes.
Post by Mark Goodge
For that reason, the characters were usually played on stage by real
musicians rather than actors, even when they were miming,
I daresay the union would have insisted on it anyway.
Post by Mark Goodge
and in many cases
it was the same musicians who had actually recorded the songs. In an even
more bizarre twist, when it wasn't the original musicians it was often
Steeleye Span. Yes, really, I am not making this up.
That's totally believable actually, since I know Steeleye Span worked
with Mike Batt and I doubt that being Steeleye Span was a lucrative
enough occupation for them to turn down easy anonymous money like this.
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Post by Chris Brown
33. (26) Genesis I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
Their first charting single. I don't remember it from the time.
I bet not many of the people who did expected them to have a hit 23
years later.
Post by Mark Goodge
Post by Chris Brown
44. (35) The Carpenters Jambalaya
This was another that seemed to crop up a lot on the radio, though.
Poor radio.
Post by Mark Goodge
On a more general note, having just watched it all on Youtube, that's a
very perv-heavy playlist - not just the performers, but also the TotP
presenters.
And that's just the ones we know about. Ah, the Seventies.

Chris
Mark Goodge
2015-05-27 06:58:33 UTC
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Post by Mark Goodge
On Fri, 08 May 2015 18:36:08 +0100, Chris Brown put finger to keyboard and
Post by Chris Brown
OK, first point to make is that I chose this chart before the election
result was known so nothing in here is an intentional comment on that
although (depending on what you thought of the result) it's probably not
hard to find some possible interpretations. I did choose this after the
news of Errol Brown's death though, so we do have Hot Choc song in here.
It's also the week of a notable Top 40 debut.
Playlists here: I tried to avoid dodgy fake/re-recorded versions but one
or two may have slipped through.
http://www.deezer.com/playlist/1229154851
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdiUvgvgpgNr-kcMut8DDQsK6Q4392Qu5
Chart date: 11 May 1974
Possibly a little surprisingly for a chart this old, I've seen two acts in
here play live. Although "live" possibly needs to be in inverted commas for
one of them,
Wombles would the obvious possibility here.
Yes, indeed.
Post by Chris Brown
Post by Mark Goodge
and the other one was a very different act here to the one
that I saw several years later.
Genesis?
Yes again.
Post by Chris Brown
Post by Mark Goodge
Post by Chris Brown
1. (1) ABBA Waterloo
Probably the best Eurovision winner ever. Incidentally, it's worth watching
their Eurovision perfomance rather than the studio video -
Indeed, although for these playlists I have a preference for the studio
single versions when they're available.
Post by Mark Goodge
unlike the
Eurovision of today, this was completely, 100% live, instruments as well as
vocals.
http://youtu.be/3FsVeMz1F5c
And with the guy in the Napoleon hat too.
I know now there's only six people allowed on stage.
And backing tracks have gone from being forbidden to being compulsory. Any
instruments seen on the stage are being mimed. The only aspect of the
performance that is live are the vocals. That's one of the reasons it's
usually all so bland these days - it's turned into a version of Simon's
Karaoke Show, excepth that in the case of Eurovision it's the songs which
are unknown as well as the contestants.
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3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
OK, for what it was.
Agreed.
Chris Spedding, a well-known session musican and one of the musicians
inside the costumes, made the point that although the composition and
presentation was deliberately aimed at a younger audience, the production
values and musicianship were as good as anything else he had worked on.
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6. (9) Wizzard Rock And Roll Winter
I don't remember this one.
Pity, I was hoping you'd know why it was charting in Spring.
I was hoping somebdy else might!
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30. (30) Wombles Wombling Song
For obvious reasons many of their "live" performances had to be mimed, but
possibly surprisingly, not always; in some cases the costumes didn't extend
to covering the musicians' hands and they did actually perform in costume.
Presumably they just left the hands off rather than having two separate
sets of costumes.
I would imagine so.
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For that reason, the characters were usually played on stage by real
musicians rather than actors, even when they were miming,
I daresay the union would have insisted on it anyway.
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and in many cases
it was the same musicians who had actually recorded the songs. In an even
more bizarre twist, when it wasn't the original musicians it was often
Steeleye Span. Yes, really, I am not making this up.
That's totally believable actually, since I know Steeleye Span worked
with Mike Batt and I doubt that being Steeleye Span was a lucrative
enough occupation for them to turn down easy anonymous money like this.
I suppose that's true. It just seems like a rather bizarre juxtaposition.
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33. (26) Genesis I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
Their first charting single. I don't remember it from the time.
I bet not many of the people who did expected them to have a hit 23
years later.
No, although there are bands that have had hits over a longer timespan so
it's not that implausible.
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Post by Mark Goodge
On a more general note, having just watched it all on Youtube, that's a
very perv-heavy playlist - not just the performers, but also the TotP
presenters.
And that's just the ones we know about. Ah, the Seventies.
If you can remember then 70s, then... sorry, that's a different era.

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2015-05-28 20:51:20 UTC
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OK, first point to make is that I chose this chart before the election
result was known so nothing in here is an intentional comment on that
although (depending on what you thought of the result) it's probably not
hard to find some possible interpretations. I did choose this after the
news of Errol Brown's death though, so we do have Hot Choc song in here.
It's also the week of a notable Top 40 debut.
Playlists here: I tried to avoid dodgy fake/re-recorded versions but one
or two may have slipped through.
http://www.deezer.com/playlist/1229154851
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdiUvgvgpgNr-kcMut8DDQsK6Q4392Qu5
Chart date: 11 May 1974
1. (1) ABBA Waterloo
Probably the best Eurovision winner ever. Incidentally, it's worth watching
their Eurovision perfomance rather than the studio video -
Indeed, although for these playlists I have a preference for the studio
single versions when they're available.
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unlike the
Eurovision of today, this was completely, 100% live, instruments as well as
vocals.
http://youtu.be/3FsVeMz1F5c
And with the guy in the Napoleon hat too.
I know now there's only six people allowed on stage.
And backing tracks have gone from being forbidden to being compulsory. Any
instruments seen on the stage are being mimed. The only aspect of the
performance that is live are the vocals. That's one of the reasons it's
usually all so bland these days - it's turned into a version of Simon's
Karaoke Show, excepth that in the case of Eurovision it's the songs which
are unknown as well as the contestants.
I'm not sure that's the reason - isn't the music on X-Factor live
anyway, albeit offstage? Unless there's a serious risk of an
instrumentalist actually messing the song up I don't think it matters
that much.
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3. (4) Wombles Remember You're A Womble
OK, for what it was.
Agreed.
Chris Spedding, a well-known session musican and one of the musicians
inside the costumes, made the point that although the composition and
presentation was deliberately aimed at a younger audience, the production
values and musicianship were as good as anything else he had worked on.
True, although you could probably read that either way.
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30. (30) Wombles Wombling Song
For obvious reasons many of their "live" performances had to be mimed, but
possibly surprisingly, not always; in some cases the costumes didn't extend
to covering the musicians' hands and they did actually perform in costume.
Presumably they just left the hands off rather than having two separate
sets of costumes.
I would imagine so.
Reading those quotes from Chris Spedding doesn't suggest that there were
a lot of costumes available.
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Post by Mark Goodge
For that reason, the characters were usually played on stage by real
musicians rather than actors, even when they were miming,
I daresay the union would have insisted on it anyway.
Post by Mark Goodge
and in many cases
it was the same musicians who had actually recorded the songs. In an even
more bizarre twist, when it wasn't the original musicians it was often
Steeleye Span. Yes, really, I am not making this up.
That's totally believable actually, since I know Steeleye Span worked
with Mike Batt and I doubt that being Steeleye Span was a lucrative
enough occupation for them to turn down easy anonymous money like this.
I suppose that's true. It just seems like a rather bizarre juxtaposition.
It does, because they were perceived as a more serious act. But it's not
a shock.
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33. (26) Genesis I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
Their first charting single. I don't remember it from the time.
I bet not many of the people who did expected them to have a hit 23
years later.
No, although there are bands that have had hits over a longer timespan so
it's not that implausible.
True. Maybe it was more the case a couple of years later when they
hadn't had a second hit (and the lead singer had quit) that you wouldn't
have expected them to become a regular singles chart act.
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Post by Chris Brown
Post by Mark Goodge
On a more general note, having just watched it all on Youtube, that's a
very perv-heavy playlist - not just the performers, but also the TotP
presenters.
And that's just the ones we know about. Ah, the Seventies.
If you can remember then 70s, then... sorry, that's a different era.
If you can remember the 70s you're probably trying to hide the evidence
of what you were doing.

At least it's not that clip I posted from 1972 with Rolf Harris drawing
a picture of Chuck Berry's Ding-A-Ling.

Chris
Mark Goodge
2015-05-29 07:00:19 UTC
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Chris Spedding, a well-known session musican and one of the musicians
inside the costumes, made the point that although the composition and
presentation was deliberately aimed at a younger audience, the production
values and musicianship were as good as anything else he had worked on.
True, although you could probably read that either way.
I'm pretty sure Spedding meant it to be complimentary. And he did work on
some pretty high quality stuff with some very big name stars.
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and in many cases
it was the same musicians who had actually recorded the songs. In an even
more bizarre twist, when it wasn't the original musicians it was often
Steeleye Span. Yes, really, I am not making this up.
That's totally believable actually, since I know Steeleye Span worked
with Mike Batt and I doubt that being Steeleye Span was a lucrative
enough occupation for them to turn down easy anonymous money like this.
I suppose that's true. It just seems like a rather bizarre juxtaposition.
It does, because they were perceived as a more serious act. But it's not
a shock.
I think it's more because they were a different genre. It would have seemed
less surprising to find the Bay City Rollers or Slade in there, for
example.

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2015-05-29 21:10:05 UTC
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On Thu, 28 May 2015 21:51:20 +0100, Chris Brown put finger to keyboard and
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Chris Spedding, a well-known session musican and one of the musicians
inside the costumes, made the point that although the composition and
presentation was deliberately aimed at a younger audience, the production
values and musicianship were as good as anything else he had worked on.
True, although you could probably read that either way.
I'm pretty sure Spedding meant it to be complimentary.
I'm sure he did too.
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And he did work on
some pretty high quality stuff with some very big name stars.
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and in many cases
it was the same musicians who had actually recorded the songs. In an even
more bizarre twist, when it wasn't the original musicians it was often
Steeleye Span. Yes, really, I am not making this up.
That's totally believable actually, since I know Steeleye Span worked
with Mike Batt and I doubt that being Steeleye Span was a lucrative
enough occupation for them to turn down easy anonymous money like this.
I suppose that's true. It just seems like a rather bizarre juxtaposition.
It does, because they were perceived as a more serious act. But it's not
a shock.
I think it's more because they were a different genre. It would have seemed
less surprising to find the Bay City Rollers or Slade in there, for
example.
True. The Rollers were already good at pretending to play their
instruments. Slade could probably afford not to do it though.

Chris
Rink
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OK, first point to make is that I chose this chart before the election
result was known so nothing in here is an intentional comment on that
although (depending on what you thought of the result) it's probably not
hard to find some possible interpretations. I did choose this after the
news of Errol Brown's death though, so we do have Hot Choc song in here.
It's also the week of a notable Top 40 debut.
Playlists here: I tried to avoid dodgy fake/re-recorded versions but one
or two may have slipped through.
http://www.deezer.com/playlist/1229154851
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdiUvgvgpgNr-kcMut8DDQsK6Q4392Qu5
Chart date: 11 May 1974
1974 !!
Thank you!
When I was young......
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1.     (1)    ABBA    Waterloo
Of course !!!
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2.    (27)    Rubettes    Sugar Baby Love
Video deleted from the YouTube playlist
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3.     (4)    Wombles    Remember You're A Womble
What is this ???
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4.    (11)    Peters And Lee    Don't Stay Away Too Long
The YouTube video is from 192 TV, a Dutch TV station that plays music
from the period we had commercial radio from the Nordsee.
A few people from 192 TV worked in 1974 at Radio Veronica
while they were transmitting on 558 kHz AM from the ship The Norderney.
5 - 3 - 8 op volle kracht !!
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6.     (9)    Wizzard    Rock And Roll Winter
Video deleted from the YouTube playlist
Now:

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12.     (2)    Mud    The Cat Crept In
Video deleted from the YouTube playlist
Now:


Toppop was the only weekly Dutch TV program with popmusic.
Ad Visser presented the hits and a few tips and it was very very popular.
I had a TV from the street (yes I found it on the street),
it had only VHF but a 20 cm speaker, so a good sound.
We looked Toppop in my small room.
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13.    (14)    Mungo Jerry    Long Legged Woman Dressed In Black
Hey, you forgot htis one:

Never heard of it....
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16.    (24)    The Osmonds    I Can't Stop
The Osmonds missed the plane?
Toppop had Penney de Jager when the artists could not come.
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17.     (7)    Sunny    Doctor's Orders
Can't remember this. Was it a hit in the Netherlands?
But the man 0:05 says "Hallo", which is Dutch for Hello.
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18.    (28)    Jim Stafford    Spiders And Snakes
Who is the presenter in this Top of the Pops video?
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19.    (10)    Glitter Band    Angel Face
stereo version:

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20.    (16)    The Three Degrees    Year Of Decision
Here are The Three Degrees at Toppop:


O, found another one.....

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21.    (15)    Little Jimmy Osmond    I'm Gonna Knock On Your Door
You forgot this one in your playlist
(I do not have to see this....)
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22.    (23)    David Bowie    Rock And Roll Suicide
Didn't know this was on single.
I have the LP The rise and fall Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.
(to be played at maximum volume....)
If you want to see Bowie do this song live in 1973:

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25.    (29)    MFSB    TSOP (The Sound Of Philadelphia)
"Soul Train" version:

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27.    (48)    Sparks    This Town Ain't Big Enough For Both Of Us
YouTube blocked your video in my country :-(


No not French TV!
192 TV = Dutch TV.
Don't know where the original video comes from.
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30.    (30)    Wombles    Wombling Song
No! Not again.....!
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32.    (33)    The Intruders    I'll Always Love My Mama
Is this guy playing this 45 at a speed of 50?
Compare this one from Soul Train (long version!):

They should have broadcast the Soul Train every week here....
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33.    (26)    Genesis    I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
I heard Genesis a few years later when Radio Caroline
was broadcasting the album format in the late 70's.
One of my all-time favourite groups!
When I was at a Genesis concert in 1981, Phil Collins
didn't want to play "that old stuff".
Here's a live recording from 1973 with Peter Gabriel:

Even Top Gear likes it (not):

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36.    (32)    Harold Melvin And The Bluenotes    Satisfaction Guaranteed
This remembers me of Radio Noordzee Internationaal...
The Dutch DJ's who broadcasted live from the Mebo2
in the afternoon loved Philadelphia soul and Motown records.
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37.    (46)    Gigliola Cinquetti    Go (Before You Break My Heart)
You forgot this one in your playlist.
I was completely forgotten the whole song :-)
In Italian at the Eurovision Song Contest 1974:

(ORF = Österreichischer RundFunk)
Unfortunately for Gigliola, Abba was there too.....
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42.    (43)    Mouth And MacNeal    I See A Star
YouTube blocked this one too.
Again ESC at the ORF:

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44.    (35)    The Carpenters    Jambalaya
video with good sound:

but I think it's not the live sound?
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48.    (NE)    Harry Chapin    WOLD
YouTube deleted your video..
Great sad song about a radio DJ.


In live performances sometimes he changed the name of the radio station.
As you can hear
at 4:00 (WKRP ?) "playing disco bull shit":

at 4:15 (KAHJ ?)

at 20:55 (WPLJ ?) "playing Disco Duck for you"

at 14:25 (Danish Radio)

at 9:20 (WDER ?)


WOLD really exists in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOLD-FM
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49.    (37)    Ragtimers    The Sting
50.    (36)    Queen    Seven Seas Of Rhye
    Chris
Thank you for an evening back in time !!

Rink
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OK, first point to make is that I chose this chart before the election
result was known so nothing in here is an intentional comment on that
although (depending on what you thought of the result) it's probably
not hard to find some possible interpretations. I did choose this
after the news of Errol Brown's death though, so we do have Hot Choc
song in here. It's also the week of a notable Top 40 debut.
Playlists here: I tried to avoid dodgy fake/re-recorded versions but
one or two may have slipped through.
http://www.deezer.com/playlist/1229154851
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdiUvgvgpgNr-kcMut8DDQsK6Q4392Qu5
Chart date: 11 May 1974
1974 !!
Thank you!
When I was young......
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1.     (1)    ABBA    Waterloo
Of course !!!
Their first UK hit as well.
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2.    (27)    Rubettes    Sugar Baby Love
Video deleted from the YouTube playlist
Sadly that does happen over the years.
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3.     (4)    Wombles    Remember You're A Womble
What is this ???
I'm so used to the Wombles, I forget how strange they must seem to
non-British people.
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12.     (2)    Mud    The Cat Crept In
Video deleted from the YouTube playlist
http://youtu.be/OBGvmEOLLr0
Toppop was the only weekly Dutch TV program with popmusic.
Ad Visser presented the hits and a few tips and it was very very popular.
I had a TV from the street (yes I found it on the street),
it had only VHF but a 20 cm speaker, so a good sound.
We looked Toppop in my small room.
I'm very grateful to TopPop for looking after their archive better than
UK broadcasters.
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13.    (14)    Mungo Jerry    Long Legged Woman Dressed In Black
http://youtu.be/36q6kcQWUFs
Never heard of it....
Not many people seem to remember more than one Mungo Jerry song.
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16.    (24)    The Osmonds    I Can't Stop
The Osmonds missed the plane?
Toppop had Penney de Jager when the artists could not come.
Legs & Co were on the show every week, so a song had to be picked out
for them.
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17.     (7)    Sunny    Doctor's Orders
Can't remember this. Was it a hit in the Netherlands?
I don't believe it was, although I'm not sure where to check. There was
a rival version by a US singer that was a hit in some countries.
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But the man 0:05 says "Hallo", which is Dutch for Hello.
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18.    (28)    Jim Stafford    Spiders And Snakes
Who is the presenter in this Top of the Pops video?
Jimmy Savile, the infamous sex offender.
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21.    (15)    Little Jimmy Osmond    I'm Gonna Knock On Your Door
You forgot this one in your playlist
(I do not have to see this....)
Understandable. He's another person who's really only remembered for one
hit (and not this one).
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22.    (23)    David Bowie    Rock And Roll Suicide
Didn't know this was on single.
I don't think he was told about it either. It's a great song but it was
two albums ago and he was already on his way to another one.
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I have the LP The rise and fall Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.
(to be played at maximum volume....)
I've only had it on CD... probably best not to play that at maximum volume.
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http://youtu.be/CD1nzOeS6U0
"...the last show we'll ever do".
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27.    (48)    Sparks    This Town Ain't Big Enough For Both Of Us
YouTube blocked your video in my country   :-(
It's blocked in the UK too now (obviously it wasn't when I posted it).
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http://youtu.be/v6T5Zyke7WQ
No not French TV!
192 TV = Dutch TV.
Don't know where the original video comes from.
I suppose it's possible 192 could have got it from France?
The version I originally posted was the Top Of The Pops version which is
the only one I've ever seen. I only realised tonight there was an
official promo video.
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32.    (33)    The Intruders    I'll Always Love My Mama
Is this guy playing this 45 at a speed of 50?
http://youtu.be/FsYKaDBleJA
It's possible it was sped up to avoid the video being deleted.
Post by Rink
They should have broadcast the Soul Train every week here....
There was briefly a UK version of the show in the 80s.
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33.    (26)    Genesis    I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
I heard Genesis a few years later when Radio Caroline
was broadcasting the album format in the late 70's.
One of my all-time favourite groups!
When I was at a Genesis concert in 1981, Phil Collins
didn't want to play "that old stuff".
They used to do medleys of the old stuff to get them out of the way I
think.
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http://youtu.be/5hZqtabiFeo
I've seen that before, it's a good clip but I don't think he needed to
do the accent.
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http://youtu.be/UMG0lZr_BW4
!!
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37.    (46)    Gigliola Cinquetti    Go (Before You Break My Heart)
You forgot this one in your playlist.
I was completely forgotten the whole song  :-)
http://youtu.be/XiQ-g1ncjIs
(ORF = Österreichischer RundFunk)
Unfortunately for Gigliola, Abba was there too.....
1974 was a relatively successful year for Eurovision songs in the UK chart.
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44.    (35)    The Carpenters    Jambalaya
http://youtu.be/t5ImncN-rQc
but I think it's not the live sound?
I Agree. A waste of the enormous microphone.
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Thank you for an evening back in time !!
Glad you enjoyed it!

Chris
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13.    (14)    Mungo Jerry    Long Legged Woman Dressed In Black
http://youtu.be/36q6kcQWUFs
Never heard of it....
Not many people seem to remember more than one Mungo Jerry song.
And one that people definitely forget is Mungo Jerry's last ever hit on
the Singles chart - an FA Cup Final song for Newcastle United in 1999!
(we got beat by the way). The CD cover even has Ray Dorset dressed in a
Newcastle United top.

http://www.45worlds.com/cdsingle/cd/tooncd001

Quite how the band got involved in that goodness knows. Dorset appears
to be a Chelsea supporter...
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