Won't you forgive me for posting an old chart from 1980?

At first I thought it was this but of course Gabriel had left Genesis
some years before.

Post by Chris Brown
37. (50) Phil Lynott Dear Miss Lonely Hearts
47. (63) Sham 69 Tell The Children

This must be the one then.

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Col

Col

2017-04-16 15:14:39 UTC

At first I thought it was this but of course Gabriel had left Genesis
some years before.

Post by Chris Brown
37. (50) Phil Lynott Dear Miss Lonely Hearts
47. (63) Sham 69 Tell The Children

This must be the one then.

That's not right either.
OK, forget it!

--
Col

Chris Brown

2017-04-16 17:44:01 UTC

At first I thought it was this but of course Gabriel had left Genesis
some years before.

He had, but it's funny to see them charting together.
Phil Collins did drum on some of the Peter Gabriel album (including the
follow-up single 'No Self Control') but unfortunately not this track
otherwise I'd have given you the points.

Post by Chris Brown
37. (50) Phil Lynott Dear Miss Lonely Hearts
47. (63) Sham 69 Tell The Children

This must be the one then.

...I don't think Phil Lynott was in Sham 69?
Maybe they would have been better if he was.

Chris

Mark Goodge

2017-04-16 21:11:48 UTC

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:44:01 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Chris Brown
Also, spot
the guy charting both solo and as a group member.
13. (10) Genesis Turn It On Again
53. (33) Peter Gabriel Games Without Frontiers

At first I thought it was this but of course Gabriel had left Genesis
some years before.

Post by Chris Brown
37. (50) Phil Lynott Dear Miss Lonely Hearts
47. (63) Sham 69 Tell The Children

This must be the one then.

...I don't think Phil Lynott was in Sham 69?
Maybe they would have been better if he was.

It's not a more obscure reference to Paul McCartney, who was his own
band in 'Coming Up', is it?

Mark

Chris Brown

2017-04-17 09:30:36 UTC

Post by Mark Goodge
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:44:01 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Chris Brown
Also, spot
the guy charting both solo and as a group member.

It's not a more obscure reference to Paul McCartney, who was his own
band in 'Coming Up', is it?

It's not but that's a creative answer.

I actually didn't realise it was so difficult.

Chris

Mark Goodge

2017-04-17 09:46:12 UTC

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:30:36 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Mark Goodge
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:44:01 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Chris Brown
Also, spot
the guy charting both solo and as a group member.

It's not a more obscure reference to Paul McCartney, who was his own
band in 'Coming Up', is it?

It's not but that's a creative answer.
I actually didn't realise it was so difficult.

Well, you said "guy", so assuming it's a male solo artist, there are
only 14 in the chart that it could be. But none of them look at all
plausible contenders, other than the obvious pairing of Peter Gabriel
and Genesis, which we already know is incorrect.

Mark

Chris Brown

2017-04-17 11:51:13 UTC

Post by Mark Goodge
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:30:36 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Mark Goodge
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 18:44:01 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Chris Brown
Also, spot
the guy charting both solo and as a group member.

It's not a more obscure reference to Paul McCartney, who was his own
band in 'Coming Up', is it?

It's not but that's a creative answer.
I actually didn't realise it was so difficult.

Well, you said "guy", so assuming it's a male solo artist,

Which is correct (in the sense that he's charting here as a solo artist,
it's not what he's best known for).

Post by Mark Goodge
there are
only 14 in the chart that it could be.

I counted 16, although I admit Keith Michell is debatable. It's not him

Post by Mark Goodge
9. (19) David Essex Silver Dream Machine
14. (18) Leon Haywood Don't Push It, Don't Force It
19. (25) BA Robertson Kool In The Kaftan
30. (40) Bobby Thurston Check Out The Groove
31. (32) Rupert Holmes Him
37. (50) Phil Lynott Dear Miss Lonely Hearts
41. (49) Pete Townshend Rough Boys
44. (73) Billy Joel All For Leyna
53. (33) Peter Gabriel Games Without Frontiers
59. (35) John Foxx No-One Driving
62. (NE) Paul McCartney Coming Up
68. (60) Stevie Wonder Outside My Window
69. (NE) Christopher Cross Ride Like The Wind
70. (NE) Rodney Franklin The Groove
71. (53) Keith Michell/Captain Beaky The Trial Of Hissing Sid
74. (59) Narada Michael Walden Tonight I'm Alright
But none of them look at all
plausible contenders, other than the obvious pairing of Peter Gabriel
and Genesis, which we already know is incorrect.

This is right.

So the clues I'll give you are that he's better known as a group member
than a solo artist, but the group name he's most associated with is does
not appear in the chart.

Mark Goodge

2017-04-17 12:31:02 UTC

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:51:13 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Mark Goodge
Well, you said "guy", so assuming it's a male solo artist,

Which is correct (in the sense that he's charting here as a solo artist,
it's not what he's best known for).

Post by Mark Goodge
there are
only 14 in the chart that it could be.

I counted 16, although I admit Keith Michell is debatable. It's not him

OK, 15. I was discounting Keith Michell as that's sort-of-a-band.

This is right.
So the clues I'll give you are that he's better known as a group member
than a solo artist, but the group name he's most associated with is does
not appear in the chart.

That still doesn't help a lot. Going through them one by one:

David Essex - best known as a solo artist, I'm not aware of him ever
being in a charting band.

Leon Haywood - ditto.

BA Robertson - ditto.

Bobby Thurston - not even famous enough to have a Wikipedia page, let
alone be associated with multiple bands.

Rupert Holmes - as per David Essex.

Phil Lynott - a plausible contender, were it not for the fact that
none of the bands he played with are in this chart.

Pete Townshend - ditto.

Billy Joel - as per David Essex.

Peter Gabriel - arguable whether he's best known as a band member or
solo artist, but either way none of the bands he played with are in
this chart.

John Foxx - ditto.

Paul McCartney - as per Phil Lynott.

Stevie Wonder - as per David Essex.

Christopher Cross - ditto.

Rodney Franklin - probably better known as a writer of theme tunes,
but as a chart musician better known as a solo artist.

Narada Michael Walden - better known as a solo artist, at least as far
as his chart career is concerned, although he did a lot of session and
production work for other artists. But, still, none of them appear in
this chart.

So.... what am I missing?

(I'm thinking that maybe someone like Pete Townsend or John Foxx
contributed to someone else's track, possibly as a favour, but if so
it's still pretty obscure.)

Mark

James Heaton

2017-04-17 20:11:37 UTC

Post by Mark Goodge
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:51:13 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Mark Goodge
Well, you said "guy", so assuming it's a male solo artist,

Which is correct (in the sense that he's charting here as a solo artist,
it's not what he's best known for).

Post by Mark Goodge
there are
only 14 in the chart that it could be.

I counted 16, although I admit Keith Michell is debatable. It's not him

OK, 15. I was discounting Keith Michell as that's sort-of-a-band.

This is right.
So the clues I'll give you are that he's better known as a group member
than a solo artist, but the group name he's most associated with is does
not appear in the chart.

David Essex - best known as a solo artist, I'm not aware of him ever
being in a charting band.
Leon Haywood - ditto.
BA Robertson - ditto.
Bobby Thurston - not even famous enough to have a Wikipedia page, let
alone be associated with multiple bands.
Rupert Holmes - as per David Essex.
Phil Lynott - a plausible contender, were it not for the fact that
none of the bands he played with are in this chart.
Pete Townshend - ditto.
Billy Joel - as per David Essex.
Peter Gabriel - arguable whether he's best known as a band member or
solo artist, but either way none of the bands he played with are in
this chart.
John Foxx - ditto.
Paul McCartney - as per Phil Lynott.
Stevie Wonder - as per David Essex.
Christopher Cross - ditto.
Rodney Franklin - probably better known as a writer of theme tunes,
but as a chart musician better known as a solo artist.
Narada Michael Walden - better known as a solo artist, at least as far
as his chart career is concerned, although he did a lot of session and
production work for other artists. But, still, none of them appear in
this chart.
So.... what am I missing?
(I'm thinking that maybe someone like Pete Townsend or John Foxx
contributed to someone else's track, possibly as a favour, but if so
it's still pretty obscure.)

Weren't The Who called the High Numbers at one stage early in their career?

So that would be Townsend at 41 with Rough Boys and High Numbers at 49 with
it's the face?

But it me took quite a bit of thinking to make that connection?

James

Chris Brown

2017-04-18 14:08:24 UTC

Post by Mark Goodge
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:51:13 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Mark Goodge
Well, you said "guy", so assuming it's a male solo artist,

Which is correct (in the sense that he's charting here as a solo artist,
it's not what he's best known for).

Weren't The Who called the High Numbers at one stage early in their career?
So that would be Townsend at 41 with Rough Boys and High Numbers at 49
with it's the face?

That's right!

Post by James Heaton
But it me took quite a bit of thinking to make that connection?

I actually didn't know it was that obscure a fact. I feel bad now.

Chris

James Heaton

2017-04-18 17:41:44 UTC

Post by Mark Goodge
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:51:13 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Mark Goodge
Well, you said "guy", so assuming it's a male solo artist,

Which is correct (in the sense that he's charting here as a solo artist,
it's not what he's best known for).

Weren't The Who called the High Numbers at one stage early in their career?
So that would be Townsend at 41 with Rough Boys and High Numbers at 49
with it's the face?

That's right!

Post by James Heaton
But it me took quite a bit of thinking to make that connection?

I actually didn't know it was that obscure a fact. I feel bad now.

Don't, it seems to have provided a good mental workout for quite a few of
us, and a good debate.

Just pure luck really I got it - and it dates back to (I think) 1990 as we
were talking about in the other thread.

I had flu over Xmas - the really nasty type that leaves you on your back for
a week, not the 'bad cold' type.

As it was Xmas, my Dad's then-employer kindly lent him a VHS video player
from the training department to put up in my bedroom to cheer me up.

One of the videos Dad got from the video shop was a Who concert and it was
mentioned in that. I remember thinking 'what a silly name - High
Numbers'...

Seem to recall we also got through complete Fawlty Towers and a Bros concert
amongst many others!

James

Chris Brown

2017-04-18 21:10:07 UTC

Post by Mark Goodge
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:51:13 +0100, Chris Brown

Post by Mark Goodge
Well, you said "guy", so assuming it's a male solo artist,

Which is correct (in the sense that he's charting here as a solo artist,
it's not what he's best known for).

Weren't The Who called the High Numbers at one stage early in their career?
So that would be Townsend at 41 with Rough Boys and High Numbers at 49
with it's the face?

That's right!

Post by James Heaton
But it me took quite a bit of thinking to make that connection?

I actually didn't know it was that obscure a fact. I feel bad now.

Don't, it seems to have provided a good mental workout for quite a few
of us, and a good debate.

Admittedly, anyone who listened to the Spotify/YouTube versions would
have seen the Who/High Numbers connection (assuming they knew who
Townshend was of course) but I know some people have other things to do.

Post by James Heaton
Just pure luck really I got it - and it dates back to (I think) 1990 as
we were talking about in the other thread.
I had flu over Xmas - the really nasty type that leaves you on your back
for a week, not the 'bad cold' type.

I'm not sure I've ever had one quite that bad.

Post by James Heaton
As it was Xmas, my Dad's then-employer kindly lent him a VHS video
player from the training department to put up in my bedroom to cheer me up.
One of the videos Dad got from the video shop was a Who concert and it
was mentioned in that. I remember thinking 'what a silly name - High
Numbers'...

Not the silliest name in the Sixties mind you.

Post by James Heaton
Seem to recall we also got through complete Fawlty Towers and a Bros
concert amongst many others!

I now have the complete Fawlty Towers on DVD now. Just yesterday I was
on a rail replacement bus that drove along Preston Road, where they did
some filming.

Chris

Robbie

2017-04-18 21:59:58 UTC

Post by James Heaton
Seem to recall we also got through complete Fawlty Towers and a Bros
concert amongst many others!

I now have the complete Fawlty Towers on DVD now. Just yesterday I was
on a rail replacement bus that drove along Preston Road, where they did
some filming.

I used to live on a street just off from the south end of Preston Road
in what I suppose is North Wembley and indeed spent many a night in the
Preston pub (is it still there?). At the time I wasn't aware that some
of the filming of Fawlty Towers had taken place on Preston Road. Which
part of Preston Road did the filming take place? North or south of the
tube station?

Post by Chris Brown
Chris

--
Robbie

Chris Brown

2017-04-22 10:53:40 UTC

Post by James Heaton
Seem to recall we also got through complete Fawlty Towers and a Bros
concert amongst many others!

I now have the complete Fawlty Towers on DVD now. Just yesterday I was
on a rail replacement bus that drove along Preston Road, where they
did some filming.

I used to live on a street just off from the south end of Preston Road
in what I suppose is North Wembley

I suppose so. I always used to think of Preston Road as part of Kenton
but officially it's Wembley.

Post by Robbie
and indeed spent many a night in the
Preston pub (is it still there?).

According to Google, yes. It's now an Ember Inn.

Post by Robbie
At the time I wasn't aware that some
of the filming of Fawlty Towers had taken place on Preston Road. Which
part of Preston Road did the filming take place? North or south of the
tube station?

Wait, you expect me to have a sense of direction?

I always thought it was south (ie closer to Wembley) but this local
paper article suggests it wasn't where I thought:
http://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/news/14782930.Did_you_know_an_infamous_Fawlty_Towers_scene_was_filmed_here_/

Mind you, there's no point posting this today because I presume
everyone's queuing up for Record Store Day to buy the Fawlty Towers
picture disc.

Chris

Robbie

2017-04-23 15:00:24 UTC

Post by James Heaton
Seem to recall we also got through complete Fawlty Towers and a Bros
concert amongst many others!

I now have the complete Fawlty Towers on DVD now. Just yesterday I was
on a rail replacement bus that drove along Preston Road, where they
did some filming.

I used to live on a street just off from the south end of Preston Road
in what I suppose is North Wembley

I suppose so. I always used to think of Preston Road as part of Kenton
but officially it's Wembley.

It was Wembley back in my day! Well, the south part was anyway...

Post by Robbie
and indeed spent many a night in the
Preston pub (is it still there?).

According to Google, yes. It's now an Ember Inn.

When I used to drink in there it was always full of Arsenal supporters.
On the night Arsenal beat Liverpool to win the old 1st Division, back in
May 1989, there was only me and one lone Scouser shouting for Liverpool!
The rest of the pub were all Gooners! It was just a month after
Hillsborough and us (Newcastle) had just been relegated...

Wait, you expect me to have a sense of direction?

If it's south of the tube station then it's Wembley!

Post by Chris Brown
I always thought it was south (ie closer to Wembley) but this local
http://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/news/14782930.Did_you_know_an_infamous_Fawlty_Towers_scene_was_filmed_here_/
Mind you, there's no point posting this today because I presume
everyone's queuing up for Record Store Day to buy the Fawlty Towers
picture disc.
Chris

--
Robbie

Chris Brown

2017-04-23 22:55:56 UTC

Post by James Heaton
Seem to recall we also got through complete Fawlty Towers and a Bros
concert amongst many others!

I now have the complete Fawlty Towers on DVD now. Just yesterday I was
on a rail replacement bus that drove along Preston Road, where they
did some filming.

I used to live on a street just off from the south end of Preston Road
in what I suppose is North Wembley

I suppose so. I always used to think of Preston Road as part of Kenton
but officially it's Wembley.

It was Wembley back in my day! Well, the south part was anyway...

I think it always was, but I just thought of it as Kenton, because I
could walk there through the park.

Post by Robbie
and indeed spent many a night in the
Preston pub (is it still there?).

According to Google, yes. It's now an Ember Inn.

Quite a season, 1989.

Wait, you expect me to have a sense of direction?

If it's south of the tube station then it's Wembley!

I thought it was, but apparently not.

That really does exist, by the way:

https://www.discogs.com/John-Cleese-Prunella-Scales-Connie-Booth-And-Andrew-Sachs-Fawlty-Towers/release/10174771

Chris

Vidcapper

2017-04-16 14:52:07 UTC

Post by Chris Brown
Chart dated 19th April 1990
1. (1) Detroit Spinners Working My Way Back To You/Forgive Me
Girl

I only know the first of those.

Post by Chris Brown
2. (21) Blondie Call Me

One of their best.

Post by Chris Brown
6. (3) The Jam Going Underground/Dreams Of Children

As per the #1

Post by Chris Brown
9. (19) David Essex Silver Dream Machine

OK for a DE song.

Post by Chris Brown
21. (15) Martha And The Muffins Echo Beach

Great song!

Post by Chris Brown
24. (46) Sky Toccata

Another very good song.

Post by Chris Brown
29. (43) The Undertones My Perfect Cousin

Post by Chris Brown
33. (34) The Monkees The Monkees EP
[I'm A Believer; Last Train To Clarksville; Daydream Believer; A Little
Bit Me, A Little Bit You]

Most of their best-known songs.

Post by Chris Brown
46. (41) Blondie Atomic

Another very good one.

--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Robbie

2017-04-16 16:02:58 UTC

Post by Chris Brown
Chart dated 19th April 1990
1. (1) Detroit Spinners Working My Way Back To You/Forgive Me
Girl

I only know the first of those.

The track was a medley of both songs rather than a double A sided single...

--
Robbie

Chris Brown

2017-04-16 17:29:00 UTC

Post by Chris Brown
Chart dated 19th April 1990
1. (1) Detroit Spinners Working My Way Back To You/Forgive Me
Girl

I only know the first of those.

That's not really possible, as they're a medley (I should have corrected
the punctuation) though the second song is less memorable.

Post by Chris Brown
2. (21) Blondie Call Me

One of their best.

Though I can't remember how much this is a Blondie record rather than
just a Giorgio Moroder record with Debbie Harry on vocals.

Post by Chris Brown
6. (3) The Jam Going Underground/Dreams Of Children

As per the #1

They are different songs this time, although I think 'Dreams Of
Children' has had some minor amount of airplay. It seems to get less
attention than 'Precious' though.

Post by Chris Brown
9. (19) David Essex Silver Dream Machine

OK for a DE song.

Still a ballad though.

Post by Chris Brown
21. (15) Martha And The Muffins Echo Beach

Great song!

I agree.

Post by Chris Brown
24. (46) Sky Toccata

Another very good song.

Not so sure about this version though.

Post by Chris Brown
29. (43) The Undertones My Perfect Cousin

Technically their biggest hit.

Post by Chris Brown
33. (34) The Monkees The Monkees EP
[I'm A Believer; Last Train To Clarksville; Daydream Believer; A Little
Bit Me, A Little Bit You]

Most of their best-known songs.

Indeed I just checked on Spotify and those are four of the Top 5 there
(the other one is 'Me & Magdalena' which only came out last year so
couldn't have been on here anyway). I guess their next two biggest are
'Pleasant Valley Sunday' and the theme tune.

Post by Chris Brown
46. (41) Blondie Atomic

Another very good one.

I know it's a very unpopular opinion but I always thought this was a tad
overrated.

Chris

Vidcapper

2017-04-17 06:28:36 UTC

Post by Chris Brown
Chart dated 19th April 1990
1. (1) Detroit Spinners Working My Way Back To You/Forgive Me
Girl

I only know the first of those.

That's not really possible, as they're a medley

Maybe I'm thinking of another song then?

Post by Chris Brown
6. (3) The Jam Going Underground/Dreams Of Children

As per the #1

They are different songs this time, although I think 'Dreams Of
Children' has had some minor amount of airplay.

Some? I can never ever remember hearing it on the radio!

Post by Chris Brown
46. (41) Blondie Atomic

Another very good one.

I know it's a very unpopular opinion but I always thought this was a tad
overrated.

By whom?

--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Mark Goodge

2017-04-17 08:51:50 UTC

Post by Chris Brown
1. (1) Detroit Spinners Working My Way Back To You/Forgive Me
Girl

I only know the first of those.

That's not really possible, as they're a medley

Maybe I'm thinking of another song then?

I think you're thinking of the right song, but are being misled
somewhat by the title.

"Working my way back to you" was originally a hit for The Four Seasons
in 1966. The Spinners (later AKA the Detroit Spinners) released a
medley reworking of it, along with "Forgive Me Girl", in 1979 (and a
re-release of that is what we're discussing here).

However, the latter song is far more obscure, having never charted in
its own right. So most people who hear the (Detroit) Spinners' version
probably don't appreciate that it is a medley, they just think it's a
variant of the original with some extra verses inserted (or even, if
that's the first version they encounter, they assume that's how it was
written in the first place).

The presentation of the title, though, with the / in between the two
parts, suggests a double-A side or similar, with the consequence that
many people reading it will think that the first title is the title of
the first song on the single, and the second title is the title of the
second, and simply assume (as you seem to have done) that they don't
recall hearing the second.

In reality, it's a multi-part name of a single song, and the B-side is
something else entirely (which you genuinely probably haven't heard!).

Mark

Mark Goodge

2017-04-17 08:55:17 UTC

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 09:51:50 +0100, I

(and a re-release of that is what we're discussing here).

No we're not, this is the 1979 Spinners original. I'm getting my
charts confused. But so is Chris, if you look at the date he's put at
the top of it :-)

Mark

Chris Brown

2017-04-17 09:35:37 UTC